andyngo

咁大家可以放心,唔駛咁急買,佢庫存夠多,你肯忍一時就等到減價入手
chue 發表於 2018-9-30 10:24

    smart!

lotus123

回覆  lotus123
    唔好忘記 amd ryzen 已經追到車尾, 提價填數唔成立
10nm 遲遲都上唔到馬, 有D鬼鬼 ...
rabbit82047 發表於 2018-9-30 08:34

ryzen 同頻下快唔過 Intel，唔同當年 Athlon vs Pentium 4
amd 搶到10%生意，Intel 加返10% 就可以填返條數
10nm 的研發費用比14nm貴好多倍，分幾年計，條數就好睇咗囉
Intel 唔知會唔會偷咗 左傳曹劌論戰 條橋，等amd連擊三鼓之後，先應戰都未遲   

沙盒A

ryzen 同頻下快唔過 Intel，唔同當年 Athlon vs Pentium 4
amd 搶到10%生意，Intel 加返10% 就可以填返條 ...
lotus123 發表於 2018-9-30 17:04

zen+ IPC低過intel,但都唔多

Kundera

Maybe we don't need 7nm or thinner process.
Do we have to squeeze lots of cores into one chip?
Do  ...
toylet 發表於 2018-9-30 23:19

intel didn't care about desktop users, whatever branded as i7 will sell
thus from 45 to 14nm die shrink were directly translated into higher yield and therefore profit

but Xeon's a different story, the core count must be doubled every 3-4 years to justify server replacement. as the 10nm plan goes south and EPYC is pressing, making HCC/ XCC out of existing node hurts the yield and now they have shortage. moving to smaller nodes is their only hope to make Xeon server stay relevant

MirageKnight

羊毛出在羊身上. 用10億來建廠. 咁就由用家來pay. 所以CPU要加價40%. 唔係個10億美金點來. . 唔通扣CEO, CFO個幾億花紅來pay 咩 ??   

lotus123

zen+ IPC低過intel,但都唔多
沙盒A 發表於 2018-9-30 22:02

Intel 可能等 Zen2 出離先至出手 10nm。
正如 Intel 再投資 10億落 14nm增加產能，好明顯10nm 的成本相對 14nm會貴好多，否則不如將 10億投資落10nm好過。

044003

1, intel 10nm/=tsmc 10nm, may equals tsmc 7nm
掃馬想機 發表於 2018-9-30 11:33

    未出冇人知

qcmadness

1, intel 10nm/=tsmc 10nm, may equals tsmc 7nm
掃馬想機 發表於 2018-9-30 11:33

等於同唔等於都好

TSMC 7nm已經volume production (Apple A12)
Intel 10nm只係小量生產