標題: [Windows 10] 我終於都頂唔順 Windows 10 [打印本頁]

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作者: DAVIDCHAN2013    時間: 2018-6-25 17:34     標題: 我終於都頂唔順 Windows 10

我終於都頂唔順 Windows 10

決定 Downgrade Windows 7 Pro

Windows 10 個自動更新好Q煩，舊硬件又唔支援。

回歸 Windows 7 大家庭。

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-6-25 17:46


True
Its updating policies and mechanism really sucks dick
Also the way the system is developed... still relies on a bunch of guinea pigs to test for bugs etc. etc.

I simply can't believe many casual users would fall for w10 because of superficial aesthetics (eg. similar-looking GUI vs. w7) and "new" features, while disregarding overall system integrity, stability, and legacy support

Unless Micro$uck makes radical changes to w10 that bring its gap closer to w7, I don't see how this OS is going to survive in the long run...
At least, those power users with a bit of 良知 would still avoid it at all costs

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作者: siuhung    時間: 2018-6-25 19:57


but why don't you (guys) just disable the  updates via policy editor (google it), and when a major major stable update comes out, only then update the system.  That's what I do...

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作者: 奠老旗合    時間: 2018-6-25 21:22

捱左幾耐？

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作者: pc1668    時間: 2018-6-25 21:25

回覆 1# DAVIDCHAN2013

How 'old' is your hardware?  Detail spec pls

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作者: chue    時間: 2018-6-25 21:44

長遠利 LINUX 從後趕上,同埋 GOOGLE 打算出一個新 OS 就係衝住 MS 而來

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作者: CKW    時間: 2018-6-25 21:49

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作者: tocheukho    時間: 2018-6-25 23:54

睇路啦 好行唔送

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-6-26 03:21

本帖最後由 anon893 於 2018-6-26 18:07 編輯

You can do such "manual" troubleshooting but those temporary solutions shouldn't have even existed in the first place...

Besides, every time a new w10 build is installed, everything reverts to default and you'll have to do those steps all over and over again

Something even as simple as resuming Control Panel option in x-Win menu... why Micro$uck has to make it so hard for everybody??

Simply put, anyone who needs to survive Winblowz10 OS'sphere the only versions that one could work with without inflicting too much pain would be Enterprise version (LTSB?) or even higher
10p and 10h are simply a joke

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-6-26 03:27

本帖最後由 anon893 於 2018-6-26 18:11 編輯

See here's the thing
In the past, a consumer was often advised against getting spare hardware parts for PC builds (due to rapid change in technology which supposedly makes older-spec ones obsolete), so when one gets an MB one often does not get an extra one just in case...
But now, it seems that many have regretted NOT doing just that......

The whole PC scenario has changed.  It's not really about getting the newest, baddest and fastest hardware or such, but instead overall stability and legacy compatibility when you need it......
After all, this is what most IT's have been adopting (but the sick general consumer population never really buys it)

You know why business in 新高登 is good (or, doable if not sustainable)?  Because there will be more and more ppl who need to look for older (or older-spec) hardware for stable (if not very fast) PC builds while running on a more trusted OS (eg. w7)

If Micro$uck thinks w10 means progress, well... it's more like backtracking with more woes
Shame on them... and shame on those 5c trolls as well

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作者: 20030311    時間: 2018-6-27 21:15

windows update = bug splash and  security loophole installation

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作者: 七彩小生    時間: 2018-6-28 19:47

完全冇可能用返windows 7 , 8. 8.1

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作者: harryytm    時間: 2018-6-28 19:57

用慣Windows 10，唔的多記得點用Windows 7

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作者: whalehk1213    時間: 2018-6-28 21:17

新hareware 硬食win10

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作者: justiceice    時間: 2018-6-29 14:24

祝你好運, 三年後再見

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-6-29 15:50


That's why 新hareware are not being favoured by too many
Instead they go out to seek older but compatible ones that work for their own workflows

BTW the society is too dependent on new technology and the so-called "progress"
But when shit happens and that new technology fails, many people simply don't know how to go back to the basics
Simply put, new technology only makes the society more fragile... but big conglomerates like M$ constantly relies on this to make money, and they will stop at nothing to brainwash the mass consumers...

Wait till some day when M$ is being dropped a bombshell... see what'll happen

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作者: whalehk1213    時間: 2018-6-29 17:44

希望新 os 好d

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作者: skywolf08    時間: 2018-6-29 18:08

Win 10 Future.  They are forcing the evolution.

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-6-29 21:49


Death to Satya.
We'll see from there

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作者: alan216hk    時間: 2018-6-29 22:51

Win 7

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作者: 聖人    時間: 2018-7-1 12:53

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作者: hkmand001    時間: 2018-7-1 13:17

我都準備由win 10 降win 7
2個版本我都用過一年以上
Win 10 使我鍵盤，滑鼠，顯示卡
各部分都出現問題
鍵盤滑鼠出現延遲
顯示卡長期低使用率
已經專登買新鍵盤，滑鼠，顯示卡做測試
結果都係一樣
上網查例子一大堆

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作者: 觀星是答案    時間: 2018-7-1 15:08

我用黎打機個台 Win 10 已經降返 Win 7 Pro
我唔想佢係我打緊機中途再同我 update display card driver

Windows 10 霸道到我覺得架機已經送左俾 microsxft 咁

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作者: CHK    時間: 2018-7-1 15:17

WIN10少問題
REBOOT冇事
舊野唔support除非新冇替代品先冇計

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作者: atwy    時間: 2018-7-1 19:17




   對新一代應該可以轉

   但絕大多數公司舛用windows都幾難轉

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-2 20:55

As a recap:
https://itvision.altervista.org/why-windows-10-sucks.html

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作者: toylet    時間: 2018-7-3 03:32

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-3 05:55

除左中文輸入之外，我部六年前既z77機一切正常，除咗裝 sound card， display card driver 外，冇需要做任何嘢，我都有打機，1070 卡一切正常，windows 想統一控制，所以想集中權力，win10 都出左咁多年…冇 driver support 係非戰之罪，建議買大牌子既硬件

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作者: robotken42    時間: 2018-7-3 10:00

過多幾年又要死死地氣轉返win 10

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作者: hkmand001    時間: 2018-7-3 12:09



你可能未被更新一些奇怪東西
只要你一旦撞正
你一定叫苦連天
你個情況就似之前的我

我以為係自身有問題，
但實際搞事者係win10
事實上大部分打機順都係用win7
直播台我問過好多，未見過順而又是用win 10

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作者: hkmand001    時間: 2018-7-3 12:12




    Win 10 咁食資源
應該是講過多幾年你部機支持唔住
又要都係死死地轉Win7

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作者: Kristy38    時間: 2018-7-3 13:35

我需要換新機，部舊機死下死下。但我絕對頂唔順 Windows10，
單係中文輸入總跟住白色一格遮住晒，就已經唔係工作人士可以接受。
Windows10 又大食又多 Background job，又狂收集用戶資料，
好似我服侍佢等佢咁。仲有賴有智慧將用戶既Icon 排序等執位，仲會自動消失。
另外無左非 Unicode 既程式顯示支援，無可取締既 ConvertZ 唔用得，死伙啦！
不過依家既新機都唔再支援 Windows7，咁點算？
新既 AMD 支援 Windows7 嗎？
畀錢買機幫自己工作啫，點解咁玩我呀？微軟對收集資料真係咁大野心？

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-3 17:06

我用 convertz 正常

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-3 17:29


Buy older spec hardware, either used, refurb, or NOS (new old stock)

For example:
https://www.ebay.com/usr/joes-n* ... 2055119.m1438.l2754

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作者: amdxp    時間: 2018-7-3 17:43

windows 10,, 終歸都係冇意外........

因為都係成出日有意外

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作者: ManchesterU    時間: 2018-7-3 18:32

等10.1先轉

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-3 18:44


No
等M$執笠先算

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作者: ManchesterU    時間: 2018-7-3 21:54

回覆 37# anon893


   

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作者: Kristy38    時間: 2018-7-4 09:40

回覆 33# tkkhome


    ConvertZ 介面是用 Big5 碼，Windows10 無左個別程序內碼設定，點搞？介面只會顯示亂碼喎。

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作者: JASON8838    時間: 2018-7-4 09:58

Windows 10好垃圾,
背景更新

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作者: justiceice    時間: 2018-7-4 14:08




    ConvertZ 一直正常, Language for non-Unicode programs  一直健在, 最新 1803 版仲可以屈舊程式強行用 Unicode



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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-4 14:58



我玩, stream, Uplay, Origin 系列...你係咪 clean install?

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-4 15:01



我用開 portable 802 version, 由第一代 win10 開始用...upgrade 左咁多次...最後到而家 1083 clean install...每星期都用黎轉小說...一切正常

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作者: UOL9    時間: 2018-7-4 18:50

x99機，win10裝返個chipset就用得，乜都唔洗做
除左速成改到好垃圾之外，都冇野，好正常，有打機。

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-5 17:06


What a waste
In fact x99 is the very final 2011/3 chipset that fully supports w7/8.x, so it's better to reserve that for older (and more stable) OS builds (eg. w7)

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作者: siuhung    時間: 2018-7-6 11:56

本帖最後由 siuhung 於 2018-7-6 13:38 編輯


You're wrong!!  I updated from 1607 -> 1803 last week, it kept my policy settings I previously set (as seen in imgs below)

I have 'always' manually update my windows, I never had any problems with 1607, but I want to play some UWP games, therefore I updated it.   I never concerned about little security patches in between, and I never had any problems... everything I use regularly I saved in clould, large file like photos are offline. All e-bankings are 2-tiers authenticated now, so even (not that they will) hackers somehow hack passwords, no way they are getting in. Even if windows get corrupted, I have snap image which can recovery the whole system within 5 mins   

1803 a tiny bit slower that 1607 I found becos of all the telemetries (google it), worst with Nvidia suite (that's why I only install the driver only)   I disable them as much as I can,  M$ and everyone wants your data and keep track of what you are doing! if you don't know how to disable them and use the defaults, you will be tracked and it will slow down your system with constant updates and traffic... It is up to you to be smart and don't let them abuse you!



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作者: slt    時間: 2018-7-6 13:00

Windows 傳統係一代穩定一代搵笨嘛

Win XP 穩定
Win Vista 搵笨
Win7 穩定
Win8 搵笨
Win8.1 穩定

Win10 咪咩囉。

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作者: kean23    時間: 2018-7-6 13:23

win10好地地冇事時仲OK, 有事上黎煩到爆, 最後都要重裝一次先冇咗啲問題.
舊hardware 好地地, 一update完就出事, 重裝都唔得.

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作者: yanjar    時間: 2018-7-6 23:52

就算係最遲强迫落feature update個批, 都要有番咁上下時間bug fix先叫穩定
不過我一部10年前PC同一部5年前PC 用win10都叫做無乜嚴重大問題

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作者: Takagi_Akito    時間: 2018-7-7 01:29

真係咁差咩, 我屋企加公司10幾20部有新有舊全部係Win 10 1803, 乜事都無, 全部都係由得佢自動更新, 1511 到依家未出爆過鑊未重裝過, 唔通我手神好...

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作者: leepy    時間: 2018-7-7 02:28

我用緊I7 2600  
WD HDD BLACK
ASUX MB
以上一出即買...  你咩CONFIG???
我咁舊都無問題???

2年前先開隻SSD 730 裝WIN10完全無問題...
VGA買過 480用 0問題.........

你用咩MB???

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作者: sunny08    時間: 2018-7-7 12:02

Window10成日幾分鐘就sleep，頂

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-7-7 13:43

我公司部 Win10，經常瓜 display driver。尋根究底原來個 driver 係 Win8 的……

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作者: manhoi    時間: 2018-7-13 21:18

我都唔明點解要用番舊野
由好多代之前vista年代已經覺得好過xp多多聲 完全返唔到轉頭
到現在win10都冇意欲返去win7

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-14 08:54


You only reap the superficial benefits of a so-called newer OS without considering the potential drawbacks of it...
You are most likely not a considerate power user...

You are probably one of those who simply think progress is always better......
But in this current world, it is NOT

If you don't know how to cherish the older things or standards in life and instead go for anything new, then you're considered a reckless person

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-7-15 19:53

回復 54 #manhoi

You are not the one who requires a stable OS, which is a must in all critical systems.

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作者: bolaxin    時間: 2018-7-16 10:52

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-16 16:52


Unfortunately, many end customers (consumers) think just like that...
They'll take anything "new" for granted without thinking about the ramifications, and all good advice from the real pros would simply fall into deaf ears

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-19 13:52

新產品不一定好，但通常都有其可取之處，每個人用 windows 既目的都唔同，所以優缺點都唔會一樣，很多覺得 win10 唔好不外乎要其改變習慣性，用一些早過時既軟硬件，自從裝左 win8 後我完全沒有回到 win7 既打算，時代係不斷進步的，win7 再好用也不能抱成世，正如當年的XP 用家心態，克服當前問題才是王道

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作者: 210G    時間: 2018-7-21 10:50

Windows7簡單好多

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作者: sunny08    時間: 2018-7-21 11:02

喜歡window10但不喜歡他的Bugs!

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-7-21 19:23

本帖最後由 slt 於 2018-7-21 19:24 編輯

回復 59 #tkkhome

由 Windows XP 跳到 Windows 7、由 Windows 7 跳到 Windows 8.1。

等緊 Windows 10 的下一個 version  (11?) 升上去

現階段無辦法，唯有繼續用住 7 同 8.1 先

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-7-22 09:37

Win10 方便我，driver 又少裝，patch 又少裝，最大進步係個 task manager, 我睇到各 HDD, VGA card monitoring

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作者: KinChungE    時間: 2018-7-22 14:38



好明顯唔會發生
因為消費者冇得揀
生產商/開發商出D乜, 消費者只有硬食

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作者: KinChungE    時間: 2018-7-22 14:40



唔會有win11出現
只會繼續win10 1809, win10 1903, win10 1909.....
甚至遲D可能就咁叫windows

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-7-22 18:17

回復 57 #bolaxin

始終有軟件只有 Windows 版

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作者: 210G    時間: 2018-7-22 18:55

依加d新機迫人用win10

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作者: vsp    時間: 2018-7-22 22:33

出絶招用linux裝vmare行windows 7

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-23 16:29


Actually, put it this way... Many of them don't know how to 揀, because they don't even know where to get them (and other related resources)
If they stick to normal retain channels then of course, 冇得揀 ie. 硬食

And that's the problem...
There's simply too much traction on w10 promotion and that power users were not able to make enough effort to resist and boycott this problematic POS

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作者: 7@yah    時間: 2018-7-28 19:47

本帖最後由 7@yah 於 2018-7-28 19:48 編輯

你班人講到 win 10 就如大陸蝗殖民一樣,,,令人不想接觸,,,禍根

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作者: YANG    時間: 2018-7-30 13:07

Win7仲有兩年玩

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作者: anon893    時間: 2018-7-30 16:06


There's only M$ to blame
They screwed up the OS scene since w8.x and now they use this as some basis for w10 as well

Those users who have conscience know what OS is the more appropriate (and necessary) for their everyday workflow
It's NOT M$ to dictate the scenario and decide -- but this is exactly what they're doing

Treat M$ with absolute contempt.  There's no other way

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作者: DGCNYO    時間: 2018-7-30 21:31

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作者: carlkyo    時間: 2018-7-31 19:39

唔玩game可以直接轉osx
一了百了

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-8-3 21:04

回復 73 #DGCNYO

邊處有 Android 機，唔使靠硬件公司，幫你自動更新 version？

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作者: Ilo    時間: 2018-8-4 07:18

很奇怪, W10 在 32 bit 舊機行得順过 64 bit 新機。

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作者: nb3721    時間: 2018-8-4 16:21

由dos到win 3.1一路到win 7都冇問題。自從用win 10之後，真係好反感。
當年Linux redhat 年代貪新其己經想學，由放太多野未及windows所以繼續用。依家win10逼我去用Linux。
90%時間用Linux mint,10%用windows佢成功了。


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作者: justiceice    時間: 2018-8-6 10:42

本帖最後由 justiceice 於 2018-8-6 10:43 編輯



    Windows 10 單係啲 Explorer 更新, Task View, 改良嘅 multi monitor 支援已經提高生產力
Right click Start 已經有 menu 有 logoff/shutdown 及一堆正經 setting, 而 Windows 10 嘅 Your Phone 已經係 sell iOS/Android 嘅 Microsoft app 好耐...

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作者: Alchemist_Gold    時間: 2018-8-6 13:56



但係簡單如shutdown, 要由以往2click變做3click, 已係不能原諒

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作者: chinwah    時間: 2018-8-7 16:49

樓主唯有寄望WIN11

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作者: free3sky    時間: 2018-8-7 18:20

Win 強迫性更新

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作者: 7@yah    時間: 2018-8-11 19:35

即是win 10冇自動更新功能,,,,,,,,要手動

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作者: 7@yah    時間: 2018-8-11 19:43




    冇問你,,,就自動安裝??

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作者: dorayaki    時間: 2018-8-13 11:45


想睇下用緊邊個user仲勁, 由click1下->要click 3下開埋另一個page出黎先睇到...

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作者: sunny08    時間: 2018-8-13 12:44

回覆 78# justiceice


    不過好多未學識，不漸找尋

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作者: sunny08    時間: 2018-8-13 12:47

回覆 83# 7@yah

呢個係問題，如果做緊重要事，你想更新?
仲有係送一些你未必想要的,例如hybrid sleep - write to my SSD !

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作者: 20030311    時間: 2018-8-16 08:22

對於w10, 老話一句，known good is always better than unknown

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作者: slt    時間: 2018-8-18 19:35

等睇 win10 爆大鑊

一日到黑成日 error, 幾日就出一次藍畫面

最慘係公司機焗用

(以前用 Vista 都無呢啲問題)

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作者: fung_peace    時間: 2018-8-25 15:06

一部無開40幾日,得返47%電 Asus T100,
搞到就黎無電都仲Update緊...(更新到27%)

Win10的最重要功能就係用來不斷Update,
養活班技術員?

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作者: UltimateGTR    時間: 2018-8-25 20:37



之前網上有傳現任CEO上台後為左cut cost cut走測試團隊變左用insider黎測試...

其實睇返Microsoft近年的大重組都不停將Windows的重要性降低, 最近一次連Windows部門都消失埋, 成間公司轉型做企業服務同雲服務, 這樣情況下Windows想唔變差都幾難...
詳情可以睇返我之前有關重組的帖子: 微軟宣佈重組業務，分析稱Windows現在已經不再是核心業務

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作者: UltimateGTR    時間: 2018-8-25 20:46



諗下點解新硬件突然間唔支援WIN 7?
試下回帶:
https://blogs.flexera.com/applic ... r-windows-7-and-81/
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/wi ... rent-next-gen-cpus/

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作者: UltimateGTR    時間: 2018-8-25 20:56



完全同意, Android同iOS都只係一年大升一次, 雖然電話銷量多, 但硬件組合應該唔夠電腦多, 引發的問題一定比電腦少(但都只係一年大升一次), 我唔知點解佢咁有膽一年大升兩次!


佢就係睇中斑人最後都會死死氣上win10先會亂黎



資料=$$$, 可以講呢間公司已經去到貪婪的地步, Android一樣不停收集資料, 但Android係免費既, 反觀win10係免費一年, 但一年後回復收費, 無論對一般用家定係廠機都係, 可是一樣不停收集資料...



電腦係要黎用, 如果一直要半年clean install一次(因為win10半年一次更新)先會順既話會唔會太煩呢?



但都係部份設定無保存要重新set過

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作者: UltimateGTR    時間: 2018-8-25 20:59



如果一間公司唔再推新產品點樣繼續搵$$$?
所以講時代係不斷進步的不如講好大原因只係商業決定...



除了生產商/開發商出D乜, 消費者只有硬食之外
好多一般人連咩係win7/win10都唔知道, 所以連有無其他選擇都唔知



可惜提高生產力的同時增加左好多問題

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作者: tkkhome    時間: 2018-8-25 21:47

真無知…

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作者: JackLee1010    時間: 2018-8-31 21:23

我用緊一個軟件嘅新版本已經唔支援 win 7，終有一日被逼要升級

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作者: JackLee1010    時間: 2018-8-31 21:30

回復 68 #vsp

巴打 用邊個 linux 呀？

我最近win7， vm試用 ubuntu，發覺幾好，若果一般用途，冇得挑剔。
不過我會 edit 相和片， linux 唔支援 啲軟件。。。

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